D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Calibrations for S-Manager - Use all calibrations at your own risk (dyno tuning recommended)
zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by zone_nord » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:26 am

Please help,

car setup:
rebuilt d16z6 engine
jackson racing supercharger with 6psi pulley
rc440 12 ohm injectors
hondata s300

Loaded this map: D16supercharger 12 ohm 440 injectors
Car runs very lean: 11.61 AF at idle

What should I do?

*not driving the car like this
**i just want to be able to run the car safely until break in is over and go to get it tuned

please help
thank you very much
Attachments
hondata map.PNG
hondata map.PNG (159.47 KiB) Viewed 11656 times
Last edited by zone_nord on Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very lean

Post by zone_nord » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:34 am

i think i'm wrong and the car is actually running very rich...
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

User avatar
Spunkster
Site Admin
Posts: 17935
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: Hondata
Contact:

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very lean

Post by Spunkster » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:38 am

Have you talked to your tuner to see if they can help you get it running safely until you get it tuned?

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very lean

Post by zone_nord » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:04 am

yeah i'm waiting for an answer...
it's not safe to run the car with this a/f right?
(2000 rpm max anyway)
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

User avatar
Spunkster
Site Admin
Posts: 17935
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: Hondata
Contact:

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by Spunkster » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:17 pm

impossible to say from just a screenshot

keto06
Posts: 499
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:29 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by keto06 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:19 pm

very little information here.

First the car is not warm yet (ECT temp) so it may just be compensation values.

Also the map is the timing table, not the fuel one.
07 Civic Si Sedan
Drop-In Filter, Berk HiFlow Cat, 2.5" exhaust, 60a rear mount, Mugen Sport Suspension, FlashPro Tuned by me.
14.6@97 (full weight)
Hit me up for free Hondata Help!

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by zone_nord » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:27 am

sorry, big noob here
here is a datalog
Attachments
d16 jrsc.s3d
(1.09 MiB) Downloaded 128 times
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

User avatar
Spunkster
Site Admin
Posts: 17935
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: Hondata
Contact:

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by Spunkster » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:08 am

Do you have a wideband?

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by zone_nord » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:57 am

no, stock sensor
i just want to be able to run the car at 2000-2500 rpm max then get it to the tuner
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

User avatar
Spunkster
Site Admin
Posts: 17935
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: Hondata
Contact:

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by Spunkster » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:30 am

You cannot get an accurate reading of AF using a narrowband sensor. You need to get tuned if you want to be sure it is safe.

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by zone_nord » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:03 pm

right so i need to go to a tuner with my car on a platform, get it tuned, break in the engine, after 1000-1500 km go to the tuner again for the full tune
the price for a tune around here is 3-400 euros, nobody wants to look at my car now without charging for a full tune witch they can't do if the engine is rebuilt with 0 km.
so yeah, great.
thank you anyway.
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

User avatar
Spunkster
Site Admin
Posts: 17935
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: Hondata
Contact:

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by Spunkster » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:27 pm

tuning it should be a good break in.

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by zone_nord » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:04 am

d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

zone_nord
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by zone_nord » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:33 am

Got the Innovate MTX-L installed today
from the installation instructions provided I learned that I need to connect the yellow wire (analog 1 out) from the gauge to an analog input on the s300 so I did it on a0 (red wire).
From the s300's manual I see that I need to connect it to the D10 ELD pin on the ECU
I'm confused now
Can you please clarify that for me?
thanks

p.s. my stock sensor is not installed anymore and I get "sensor heater error" and check engine light on
d16z6 JRSC 6psi
rc440
innovate mtx-l
hondata s300

User avatar
Spunkster
Site Admin
Posts: 17935
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2002 5:06 pm
Location: Hondata
Contact:

Re: D16Z6 supercharged running very rich

Post by Spunkster » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:41 am

To run in closed loop with a wideband signal you will need to use one of the ECU inputs for the wideband such as D10.

http://www.hondata.com/help/smanager/wi ... b=wideband

You will need to disable the O2 heater error.

Post Reply