Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

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Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:25 am

If i run the engine in Idle and warm up, the ECT temp goes up to 98 °C, until the fan switch on.
In addition, the engine already runs very rich at in idle.

I mean it was not the case in earlier versions (software/firmware)

At this time, the fan switch on:
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Engine goes very rich at idle:
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I sent you the calibration by email to support@hondata.com

All connections, hoses etc. were checked for leakage and are ok.
I have these problems only since the last software / firmware versions.

Thanks for help!
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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ECU: 37820-RSP-E03
Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
Software: 3.4.7.0
Firmware: 169

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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by Hondata » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:44 am

What is wrong with an engine temperature of 98C at idle?

There's no indication that the fueling has changed in recent version but we will look at your calibration.
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:12 am

Before the Software and Firmware update, my s.trim was at ~-5!

Also in normal driving, the s.trim is now very rich at ~ -16!

Or is this a indication for a bad O2-senor?
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by Hondata » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:07 am

The best thing to do is to compare the injector duration in datalogs from before and after.
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by typer86 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:43 am

Hi Hondata,

I will support him.
In the attachment you will find the requested screens.
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:51 pm

Thank you typer86 (Jerome)!

Hondata, what do you think about this issue?
I need a quick solution, because I need the car every day!
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by Hondata » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:01 pm

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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:49 pm

Hondata wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:01 pm
Try this
http://www.hondata.com/updates/FlashPro ... 8-Full.exe
Thank you!

I will try this and let you know!
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
Software: 3.4.7.0
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:46 pm

Now i have tested the new Version 2.7.8.0, but the engine goes very, very rich alone in idle up to -20 on cold start:
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Here is the Datalog:
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The engine/engine bay shalls very quick hot!
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:43 am

Now, i have tested with 13% leaner afm-fuel looks like this:
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2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
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Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
Software: 3.4.7.0
Firmware: 169

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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by Hondata » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:36 am

I have tested your calibration with 2.7.6, 2.7.7 & 2.7.8 and they all run the same, with fuel trims < 10%. I had to change the MAP sensor setting, injector size, AFM conversion and injector table.
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:30 am

What could be the reason, why now the Map run so rich on my vehicle?
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
Software: 3.4.7.0
Firmware: 169

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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by Hondata » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:44 pm

I'm not sure. I'm waiting to see if there are any other reports of problems with the FG or FN2 before going any further.
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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by R-12914 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:55 am

The curious thing about this problem is, that WOT (is still the same), but only the afm-fuel was too rich.
I had to go 10-12% leaner in afm-fuel, to reach the previous values.

Could the problem be related to the changes for my Flashpro, because of the following datalog-problem, which I had:
https://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic ... 28&t=20439

I mean, that it is only since these changes.

Or could it have something to do with my ASNU-injectors and/or a software change regarding to Hondata?
2008 Honda Civic TypeR FN2
Rotrex C30-94 supercharged with relocated IAT
Powered by ASNU 092/FP330E fuel pump & ASNU 090/750cc fuel injectors
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Flashpro: FP-SI-INT-21153
Software: 3.4.7.0
Firmware: 169

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Re: Temperature problem and engine goes very rich!

Post by Hondata » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:26 am

We've made no changes to the FN2 for a while. The problem in the link you posted was related to the FlashPro, which is independent to what gets uploaded into the ECU. I'm not discounting a software problem, but at the moment it is isolated to yourself. typer86 - did anything change?
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