FlashProManager v2.2.8

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.0

Post by Hondata » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:48 am

'Use Map to determine WOT' switches between using the TPS and MAP to determine WOT.

As you sure it is in closed loop at WOT? What does the short term trim do? The usual cause is that the WOT compensation tables have been made leaner than 12.5:1 For some reason the Honda ECUs will not switch to open loop if you do this.
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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.0

Post by Knox » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:00 am

After I see that problem with the calibration I make to another car, I tried with 'Hondata FD2 Type R' reflash also (which is hondata base calibration) and I had the same problem again. Short term trim instantly goes to '0' which shows that it is in open loop but the changes I made doesn't effect the afrs. WOT compensation tables are same with your base calibrations (column 7-10 is 12.46 at wot comp high).

'Use Map to determine WOT' I test with ticked and not ticked doesn't solve the problem. Off the topic I thought that it should be ticked for jdm ecu's because there is no TPS WOT determination table on 'Hondata FD2 Type R' calibration. Am I right?

Hondata wrote:'Use Map to determine WOT' switches between using the TPS and MAP to determine WOT.

As you sure it is in closed loop at WOT? What does the short term trim do? The usual cause is that the WOT compensation tables have been made leaner than 12.5:1 For some reason the Honda ECUs will not switch to open loop if you do this.

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.0

Post by Hondata » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:37 pm

Ok, then the usual problem is that you're editing the 0 degree cam table only, and all of them are being used while running.

The JDM type R uses TPS to determine WOT by default (all Hondas do).
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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.0

Post by Knox » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:52 am

When I saw that first engine runing lean like 14s every rpm and cam angle range, I used 'ALL' and added 10% fuel to everywhere, so I don't think I edited only the 0 degree cam table. Anyway tomorrow I will check that car again and take a datalog if problem continue.
Hondata wrote:Ok, then the usual problem is that you're editing the 0 degree cam table only, and all of them are being used while running.

The JDM type R uses TPS to determine WOT by default (all Hondas do).

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.0

Post by Diogo Oliveira » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:45 am

Have you checked how the WOT lambda tables are set?

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:15 pm

Yesterday I tried again and I had the same problem again. After that I noticed duty cycle increasing when I added fuel but the air fuel ratio doesn't change at all, I mean for ex I added 30% fuel but air fuel ratio didn't be richer but duty cycle inreased from around 80% to 100%. When I noticed that duty cycle increasing I thought that there is some problem with the sensor and I told the owner of the car another day we will try with an external wideband sensor.

Today I tested an other FD2 civic type r which I tuned before without any problem and I had the same problem with that car also. I again I tested to add fuel (20% something) and noticed that duty cycle increased but air fuel ratio didn't change.

I added the first car's calibration and 3 datalogs you can compare the air fuel ratio and duty cycle and this car has a datalog with 'return to stock' also (you can clearly see that on 'first car 2.fpdl' at 7600rpm duty cycle is 100% to 8600 rpm and air fuel ratio isaround 13.8, if there is nothing wrong after 7600rpm afr should goes to leaner whlie rpm increasing) . And also I added the second car's calibration and datalogs, you can compare the duty cycle difference and air fuel ratio. I'm thinking to install flash pro manager 1.9.3 and try again but I know that you don't advice to downgrade the firmware.


Please check my calibrations (sensor settings or Wot lambda adjustmens) and if there is no problem, so something should be with the software or firmware because I have the problem on two cars and one of them dyno tuned 1 year ago without any problem.
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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:16 pm

here is the second car's datalogs.
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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Hondata » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:58 am

If the injector duration increases then there's nothing wrong with the table operation in the ECU.

Please don't downgrade the firmware.
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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Spunkster » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:04 pm

Are you sure the oxygen sensor is reading correctly.

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:08 pm

I will test it with external wideband sensor in a week. If afr will be richer why I can not see it on flaspro manager?

Thanks.

Hondata wrote:If the injector duration increases then there's nothing wrong with the table operation in the ECU.

Please don't downgrade the firmware.

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:12 pm

First I think oxygen sensor reading wrong but after I have the same problem with an other fd2 type r which I tuned before without a problem. So I don't think both sensors reading wrong.

Spunkster wrote:Are you sure the oxygen sensor is reading correctly.

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by civicRSA » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:26 am

Your oxygen sensor is faulty. It is a common problem so don't be surprised if you have the problem on 2 cars.

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:06 am

Are you sure? Because it seems like works very well on closed loop. I will test it with innovate lm2 external wideband sensor in two weeks.

civicRSA wrote:Your oxygen sensor is faulty. It is a common problem so don't be surprised if you have the problem on 2 cars.

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:24 pm

any news? hondata spunkster?

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Re: FlashProManager v2.0.1

Post by Knox » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:34 am

Today, I tuned the car with external wideband oxygen sensor (innovate lm2) and air fuel ratio is ok, but on flashpro manager airfuel ratio doesn't change again. I don't know if there is something wrong with the software version or both car's oxygen sensor are broken.

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